One Finite Planet

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EVs are green but there is no quick fix green transition.

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Righteous environmentalism: an opium for the people concerned about climate.

There is a real need to protect the environment, and advocacy for the environment is great, but that advocacy can acquire traits of a religion, which at the extreme can even result in far-right eco-terrorism, and more in the mainstream can result in righteous environmentalism and embracing austerity and sacrifices as “an opium”.

The “righteous environmentalists” preach this austerity as necessary life of the future to an audience that just see the rich becoming even richer. This blindly serves an alternate agenda and needlessly alienates and disenfranchises much of the population. The result is do-nothing politicians to get re-elected instead of motivating voters for real action on climate change and electing leaders who will act.

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What is needed to profitably make vehicles, and why only Tesla and BYD are there yet with EVs in 2023?

Why is it so hard to make money from making EVs at a competitive price?

This is an exploration of the profitability challenges, and the answers to “Do only Tesla & BYD profit from EVs?” and “Why make vehicles at a loss?“.

Auto makers must either 1) find a way to make EVs at profit, 2) close down, or 3) hope there will still be a large enough market for ICEVs for them to survive. Highly funded research indicates that in future just 5 brands will dominate 80% of the market, and the reality is only one of the top ten automotive from 2021 is a likely contender.

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Any transition from gas to EVs needs around 30 years.

In this polarised world, there seem to be two groups: those who want all vehicles to be EVs now, and those who feel EVs will never be a good idea.

Truth is, it would create a legal minefield and cost consumers and the environment heavily to ban too quickly, but bans will come.

This is an exploration of reality of a transition to EVs, which concludes any optimum transition takes around 30 years.

This conclusion means anyone wanting to reach EVs by 2050 needs to start very soon, and anyone worried all EVs should never happen, can take comfort that any environmentally sound transition will take a long time, although for economic reasons, does need to at least start soon.

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A deeper look how EVs impact the power grid.

What is the real answer to how the grid will cope? First the answer from an actual power company, a link to one from a popular vlogger, both of which should placate most people, although neither is water tight as both skip over some details critical to the full answer.

And then, the deeper questions on what the impact will be on power bills and reliability, and to the transitioning of the grid to renewables.

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Tracking Legacy Car Brands Fall as EVs Rise.

We are in a time of disruption by electrification as planes, trains and automobiles, as well as shipping, all move to zero emission power. But it is the EV disruption of car industry that will have the biggest impact on consumers, and EVs have become “real” and desirable much sooner than many brands expected or wanted.

New players such as Tesla, BYD and others will become the new leaders, and together with the globalisation of the EV centric Chinese car industry, combined, will take at least 50% of the market. So, what happens to the existing big brands of the legacy car industry sharing the remaining 50%? Either half die out, all halve in size, or some combination of both!

The EV disruption will catch out many legacy car makers, with the shift skipping the anticipated interim step to hydrogen vehicles. There is a separate webpaper exploring why it is so difficult for legacy automakers to make a profit from EVs, and this page will track major ‘legacy’ brands through the transition to see which, if any, survive, as the new brands increase their market share.

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There are many claims that EVs result in more emissions than fossil fuelled vehicles. The reality is that even when an EV is powered from a 'dirty' grid, it is clear that driving an EV does creates less emissions. Plus, although some EVs create more 'build emissions', EVs still have less lifetime emissions, even on today's grids. The EV transition will reduce emissions provided it is not rushed.

But the transition still won't produce the desired emissions until the grid is also clean, and it will take decades to replace traditional vehicles on any sensible schedule.

Buying an EV is better for the environment in the long term than buying an ICE vehicle but can be worse for the environment than just keeping the current vehicle. The key finding is that while it is best to stop buying so many new ICE vehicles ASAP, there should be no rush to replace existing ICE vehicles with EVs, and instead allow existing vehicles the around two decades until their normal scrap date.

EVs are green but there is no quick fix green transition.

There are many claims that EVs result in more emissions than fossil fuelled vehicles. The reality is that even when an EV is powered from a 'dirty' grid, it is clear that driving an EV does creates less emissions. Plus, although some EVs create more 'build emissions', EVs still have less lifetime emissions, even on today's grids. The EV transition will reduce emissions provided it is not rushed.

But the transition still won't produce the desired emissions until the grid is also clean, and it will take decades to replace traditional vehicles on any sensible schedule.

Buying an EV is better for the environment in the long term than buying an ICE vehicle but can be worse for the environment than just keeping the current vehicle. The key finding is that while it is best to stop buying so many new ICE vehicles ASAP, there should be no rush to replace existing ICE vehicles with EVs, and instead allow existing vehicles the around two decades until their normal scrap date.

Synopsis: The EV transition won’t be overnight, and rushing could increase emissions.

This “webpaper” looks at how fast a transition to EVs will be and the impact the transition will have on global emissions of the transition to EVs, as well as what would happen to emissions if the transition were accelerated, and what alternative paths are available.

There have been many comparisons and claims that EVs can cause more pollution than ICEVs, but it turns out than that lifecycle emissions from EVs are less, even if in the worst cases, not much less.

But there still is a risk of increased overall emissions if replacing ICEVs with EVs triggers an increase the total sales of vehicles, which could happen if the transition is rushed. There are “build emissions” for all vehicles so more builds means more emissions. Another issue is the “worse before it gets better” problem created by the building of those EVs with worst build emissions as with these vehicles it can take years for lower driving emissions to offset the high build emissions.

The overall picture is the transition can’t be rushed and takes time to deliver the full benefits.

Some people hear about ‘bans‘ on new fossil fuelled vehicles and falsely assume these ‘bans’ mean banishing all fossil fuelled vehicles from the roads ‘overnight’, or more realistically, in the year of the ban. Instead, the ‘bans’ do stop new ICE vehicles being sold, but allow all existing ICE vehicles to continue for their lifespan of approximately 20 years.

Bans means new car showrooms have only EVs, but the allow the roads to still have ICE vehicles for decades to come.

The transition away from fossil fuelled vehicles does not really start until the sale of new fossils fuelled vehicles ends, and almost all new vehicles are then EVs or some other type of zero emission vehicle. Europe and China have a date of 2035 and that will set much of the agenda for the world. However, this paper this is about the transition itself, and the intricacies of varying that start date are discussed in a separate webpaper.

There are frequent assertions like ‘if everyone had an EV tomorrow, then the grid would collapse!’

In fact, there are many, many, reasons why a complete changed to EVs overnight is impossible and the logistics required everyone to have an EV tomorrow, including building, and distributing, well over one billion vehicles, overnight tonight!

So, what is the speed transition that is practical?

The speed that the marketplace could achieve is analysed below in:

In summary, even if every vehicle factory managed to overnight switch all ICEV production to EV production, a transition to EVs would require at least 20 years due to build enough EVs to replace the over 1 billion existing fossil all fuelled vehicles.

Many people feel unhappy with that timing, with some conservative people some fearing we won’t ready, while some who are concerned for environment concerned that a 20 a year transition is just too long.

The environmental impact of the transition to EVs was also analysed, including the options to accelerate vehicle to enable a faster replacement of the current ICE vehicle fleet:

Yes, despite all the claims, often endorsed by campaigns and funding from big oil, EVs do result in less emissions even with today’s grid.

However, that does not mean there are no risks from the transition to EVs.

In summary, drawing on data published by Volvo from their study into a sustainable transition, it becomes clear that emissions can be progressively reduced during the transition to EVs, but only if vehicle production levels remain consistent with current vehicle production level trends. In fact, lowering production levels and thus slowing the replacement of ICE vehicles, would result in the least emissions, despite a longer transition. Most notably a faster transition, while boosting vehicle production in order to accelerate the transition, would produce a boom for the mining, automobile manufactures, and factory construction companies would create a significant spike in emissions.

Overall, the impact of even an optimal speed transition to EVs wont alone “save the planet”:

Given transition won’t solve things alone and will take quite some time, are there alternatives?

It turns out the main proposals for alternatives, are championed by those such as big oil who have a motivation to resist change.

The reality we need to accept the transition will take time and focus on getting properly underway as soon as possible.

Beware of misleading information: Vehicles last a long time.

Vehicle lifespan: avoid mistaking average age for and full lifespan (2023 version).

A common mistake is to see figures like “Passenger cars are now on average 11.8 years old in the European Union” and then taking that average number of 11.8 years as being lifespan rather than over 20 years, as in reality, lifespan will normally be about double the average age. Check the average age of people (USA 38.5 years) vs life expectancy (USA 78 to 80 years):

The average [human] age in the United States is 38.5 years old. This is a small increase from 38.2 in 2018.

World Population Review: Median Age by State 2023

Life expectancy is the statistical measure of the average time a person is expected to live. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the global life expectancy as of 2016 was 72.0 years, 74.2 for females and 69.8 years for men. The average life expectancy at birth for the U.S. varies depending on the source. The latest figures are: 78.5 years, according to the OECD; 78.6 years, according to the CDC; 80.0 years, according to the CIA.

World Population Review: Life Expectancy by State 2023

I updated these figures for 2023, and although over time the exact numbers will change, the pattern does not. Average age is approximately half of life expectancy, with average age being lower in a growing population and higher in a falling population.

Even with all the research on life expectancy of people, it is still a statistic that must some degree try to predict the future, and as far less research is spend determining the life expectancy of vehicles, the life expectancy of vehicles is even more speculative but will also be roughly the average age, and thus in the neighbourhood of 20 years. At least that average age can be accurately measured in most countries from registration data and is a good starting point as for almost all most countries this “average age” excludes vehicles not driven regularly, such as vintage or other collectibles which have special categories of registration.

An alternative method of calculating how long it would take to replace all the ICE vehicles in the world, is to divide the total number of ICE vehicles, by the number of new vehicles produced each year. This gives how long replacement would take if the following two assumptions were valid:

  1. All new vehicles are EVs.
  2. No EV is replaced before all the ICE vehicles have been replaced.

In reality, replacement will take a little longer as assumption 1 is not yet true, and assumption 2 will never be 100% true, but there are sources of data that allow an approximate calculation.

For example, the Tesla investor day 2023, provides the Tesla view on the total vehicles in operation and the number produced each year:

Musk: “There is roughly 2 billion cars and trucks in operation in the world today.” So, what we show here is only 1.4 billion or so, so a smaller fleet, and you know the numbers are here in this presentation are around 85 million vehicles a year produced just to give you a sense of how we are thinking about this.”

Tesla 2023 Investor day.

Tesla adds a third assumption, that we do not need to replace all current vehicles, but otherwise this again confirm the original numbers used in the next section, that around 5% are replaced each year.

Most Vehicles have more than one owner.

Although the average person owns person typically owns a car for between 3 and 10 years, most cars have multiple owners during their lifetime. This may seem obvious, but just as “average age” has been confusingly used instead of lifespan, length of ownership has also been misused as representing lifespan.

It takes decades to transition to nearly all EVs.

Cars on average last over 20 years, with only 5% replaced each year.

It takes 22 years for the US to turn over the fleet.

Elon Musk quotes ‘around two billion cars‘. Tha could be an overestimate and official figures stated that in 2014 there were 1.2 billion, and in 2018, estimated at over 1.4 billion. In 2022, there are an estimated 1.5 billion ‘cars’ in the world in 2022, and with annual sales of around 80 million, replacing them all would take over 18 years, and that is assuming a completely orderly sequence, with none of the 80 million per year being replacing EVs until previous all cars had their turn. Plus, that is ignoring that car lifespans are increasing and todays cars may last longer.

However, as discussed below in ‘the transition is not all green‘, the absolute maximum supply of EVs, would be if all new cars produced were EVs. Increasing the rate at which cars are produced in order to make more EVs would mean ramping the entire supply chains with an increased rate of mining, , an increased rate of wrecking, more factories and materials for the factories, more dealers and shipping, and a change to society to involve more people in the vehicle supply chain. Overall, it would significantly increase environmental damage, all in an effort to make more EVs. It is covered in more detail later, but increasing production creates more waste, and more emissions.

So just imagine that the problems of transitioning manufacturing to EVs was solved overnight, so instead of long wait times, there were EVs available. Plus, everyone was happy to choose an EV.

Even if all this was true, the transition would still take 20 years because only 5% of cars are replaced each year, and increasing the number of cars build each year would increase environmental damage.

For any country, you can look at the total number of vehicles, and the number of new vehicle each year, and then divide to reveal approximately how long it would takes, but the other approach is to look at lifespan of vehicles.

Autoline Network states takes 22 years for the US to turn over the fleet.

As I have calculated previously, but will now update, the ‘lifespan’ of a cars is typically at least around 20 years, and even longer in most countries including the USA, as outlined below. While individual owners normally do not keep cars for 20 years, most cars having several owners during their lifespan.

Countries do not give ‘life expectancy’ data for cars, but they do give ‘average age’, allowing an estimate of ‘life expectancy’. Logically, approximately half of all cars below ‘average age’, and another half older than average age. In reality, more half will be younger than average, as some cars ‘die young’, which means the life span of cars that do not die young will be more than double the average, but double average will cover most vehicles.

The average age of a person in the USA in 2019 was 38.6 years, and life expectancy in 2019, pre-pandemic, was 81.8 years, although some people live to over 100. So typical lifespan’ is a little higher than 2x average age.

Note that some statistics are ‘average age of vehicles on the road’, rather than just a simple average. At the extreme this is calculated by distance travelled, and the more time a vehicle is on the road, the more it affects the data, eliminating the potential skew from vintage cars.

Averages age of cars does vary from country to country, and there are statistics and logic, to support that ‘life expectancy’ for cars is rising.

Using the 2x average formula on vehicles in the USA , as the average age of vehicles driving in the USA being 12 years , the lifespan of car in the USA should be around 24 years, although again, there may be a small number of very on car, even though vintage cars are not in the statistics.

Cars now have less fatal crashes, and also likely are less frequently ‘written off’:

The population motor-vehicle death rate reached its peak in 1937 with 30.8 deaths per 100,000 population. The current rate is 12.9 per 100,000, representing a 58% improvement.

National Safety Council Injury Facts.(2020 being current)

The number of cars per person has increased during the period, which suggests the survival rate for cars has been improving even further. If the life expectancy for cars is increasing, current cars may last longer than the current average age suggests. This could also be one reason global car sales stopped growing even before the pandemic. Then, with the pandemic accelerating the trend to an increase in people working from home, cars may be driven less in future, accelerating the rise in ‘car life expectancy’.

So what about other countries?  In the UK average car age is just over 8 years, but the source of UK data reports that “the average age of cars in the EU as a whole was 11.5 years in 2019, up from 8.4 years in 2007.”, and that the average age of cars globally is on the rise. Maybe the UK is behind? But in any case, the EU average is over 10, supporting that average car ‘life’ is at least 20 years in the EU.

In Japan the average age is 8.84 years in mid 2022, and again is reported as rising. This is despite the myth that Japan has specific penalties on registering cars over 5 years of age, and the reality that many Japanese cars continuing their ‘life’ beyond their time in Japan, as evidenced by a plethora of exporters of used cars from Japan, e.g., top 10 Japanese Used Car Exporters and JC export. Clearly, an average age of over 8 years, which suggests a lifespan over 16 years, allowing for the fact that some vehicles ‘retire’ elsewhere, suggests Japanese cars have a long life.

In Australia the average age of cars driven is just over 10 years, (and people 37), so again, the lifespan of cars being double average age is over 20 years. This is further confirmed by statistics reported in that same article that there are over 18 million cars in use in Australia, and 800,000 (4.4%) were scrapped in the year prior to that data.

Even in areas (US, Europe, Japan) where wealth is highest, cars last around 20 years, and the lifespan figure is rising, not falling.

This means any transition to new cars will take around 20 years to complete, and around 10 years to reach the half way point, with around 5% of cars replaced each year. This 5% figure is also supported by the calculation above, looking at the total number of cars in comparison with annual sales.

So if we could get to all purchases being EVs in just 3 years, it would still take until 2045 to replace previous cars.

Currently in 2022, only around 1 in 4 car purchases are new car purchases.

Data from Statista reveals that in 2021 in the USA, there were 43.1 million used car purchases, and only 15.3 new car purchases. This means only 26%, or approximate 1 in 4 car purchases, was a purchase of a new car.

I have not found global data on used vs new car sales, but there is little reason to assume that the USA has a higher ratio of used car sales to other countries.

Given all used cars were new cars several years ago, and new EV sales several years ago were almost zero and there were was very little product choice, there are now almost zero used EVs available and very little product choice. EVs are close to unavailable in the used car market, which means EVs are currently only an option for new car buyers.

This would make the 12% of new car sales, represent only 3% of all car sales globally.

As the graph shows, the percentage of vehicle purchases where an EV is the vehicle of choice is rising rapidly, but even if 100% of all new car sales were EVs, there would still be a considerable delay for used car sales to be dominated by EVs.

EV Purchases are only 12% of all new car purchases (Mid 2022).

From ev-volumes.

EVs are expensive, and are still sufficiently uncompetitive in many market segments that only 12% (1 in 8) of new car purchases are EVs, as of mid 2022, having risen from 8.3% in 2021, 4.3% in 2020 and just 2.2% in 2018.

Manufacturers transitioning product ranges and manufacturing facilities fast enough for the trend to continue will be a challenge.

Already, demand for Electric Vehicles outstrips supply, as evidenced by backorders for popular EV brands such as Tesla and , BYD and EV models from established brands the F150 Lighting from Ford or the Ioniq 5 from Hyundai, all have hundreds of thousand of unfulfilled orders and/or wait times of well over 6 months.

So supply, not demand, is the constraint on new EVs sales.

No one need buy an EV just to save the Planet, as demand exceeds supply.

There is an EY (Ernst and Young) survey which concluded that “consumers are charging toward electric vehicles” and states that, globally, most (52%) of people want their next car to be an EV.

While overall levels of travel reported remain lower when compared to the pre-pandemic benchmark, the number of consumers who say constant access to a personal car is very important to them is rising, and for the first time more than half of those surveyed, 52%, who intend to buy a car say they intend to choose either a fully electric, plug-in hybrid or hybrid vehicle.

The Electrek discussing and referencing the EY survey, May 27th 2022.

This sounds like most people already want an EV. My own prediction was. 50% in Europe and Asia would want an EV by end 2022, but a lower level of people ready for an EV in Australia/US/Canada etc. My own prediction was more pessimistic than the EY survey result, which may be because my prediction adds the constraint of ‘given the available vehicles and prices at the time of ordering‘. The EY survey seems a little looser, and may includes some of those wanting an EV, but not yet happy with the EVs available as opposed to those announced but not yet released. This is availably limitation will likely fade away between now (2022) and 2025, but will be a limiting factor, lowering how many people chose an EV for some years to come.

Either way, what EY data suggests, is that far more people want their next car to be an EV than are currently buying EVs. The sections below I feel present a strong case for that this is in large part because of lack of availability of EVs.

ICEVs are far more available than available than EVs, to the extent that reality today is that even though people who don’t an EV may fear being forced to buy one, the reality is that people who do want an EV are prevented from buying one.

At one time the only people who bought EVs were those who felt it was helping the planet, as opposed to those who enjoy the thrill of a Tesla model S plaid. Today, what is needed to help the planet is not more buyers, but more EVs produced, as there is more risk from too many EV buyers for the number of available cars, than from there not being enough people wanting EVs.

Some Market Segments, including ‘affordable’ vehicles and pick-ups, have no EVs yet.

The lack of used vehicles is not the only reason that EVs are expensive. As of 2022, the budget small car segment is entirely ignored outside of China. While it could be assumed that this is because EVs are inherently expensive, consider that one of the top 3 selling EVs worldwide is the Wuling Mini EV produced by a company part owned by GM and selling for only US$5,000.

There are factors keeping its price low in China, but it is now starting to arrive in other markets as the most affordable car on the market, with a price lower than any gasoline or petrol car.

It turns out EVs can compete on price when they try, and one of the main reasons they rarely try, is that factories that cannot meet demand now, are not about to switch to producing lower cars and thus lowering brand profits. The Tesla Model Y competes sufficiently well on price, that it could become the world best selling car in 2022. It is not only that EVs cannot be low cost, it is also that it makes no sense for brands to introduce lower cost models when their factories capable of producing EV are already overloaded. Why would Tesla introduce their often discussed, lower priced model, prior to being able to meet demand on current models?

Then there are other segments with no products available, such the now most popular segment in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other markets, the ‘pickup’ or as it is know in some markets, the ‘ute’.

Until recently, there was no pick-up truck EV available the US, despite this being the hottest market segment.. The extremely expensive Rivian R1T arrived in late 2021 and was awarded pick up truck of the year by Motor Trend and others and the best pick-up on the market, but was at a high price and with limited availability. Finally the Ford F150 Lightning has been released, but order queues are very long, and both these vehicles are only available in the USA at this time. Competitors such as the electric versions of the Chevrolet Silverado, Dodge Ram and the Tesla Cybertruck are yet to appear anywhere.

In all manufactures are well behind that the demand for EVs. The end result is, that even if everyone wanted to buy an EV, not every one would be able to buy one.

Bans on fossil fuel vehicles: Targeting manufacturers, not consumers.

If, as evidence here suggests, there are more buyers for EVs then there are EVs already, it could seem strange the various governments feel or felt the need to propose bans on the sale of new fossil fuel vehicles. A clue could be that the ‘ban’ is on the ‘sale’, not on the purchase, so if follows the bans target sellers, not consumers, which makes sense because at least so far, it is the sellers who need compelling.

There is a Wikipedia page tracking the countries and other places with bans announced.

Almost all restrictions only apply to only new vehicle sales, with at this time I think at a country level only Singapore suggesting phasing out all fossil fuelled vehicles, although USA targets ending government all fossil fuelled vehicles by 2050.

If you ban new sales, usually not before 2030 or 2035, given vehicles last around 20 years, there will still be vehicles on the road for a long time.

An interesting question is what would happen if the deadline was approaching and people still wanted ICEVs? In a democracy, governments will normally do whatever wins votes, it would depend entirely on what the population overall wants. The country closest to reaching a deadline, Norway, is already very close to their 2025 target in 2022, but looking at the fine print:

If the trend present for the last few years continues, the trend line will hit zero in April 2022. This is a lot earlier than their 2025 target (which, to be clear, is not a legal requirement yet, more of a soft target agreed upon by Norway’s government). Norway bans gas car sales in 2025,

The ‘ban’ is not actually a legal requirement. In reality, government targets to achieve ambitions often get pushed back if not sufficiently popular.

If EVs have not reached the point where they are what everyone wants, and meet everyone’s needs, governments will be flexible.

With production as a bottleneck, a full transition to EVs is unlikely before 2050.

For a complete transition by 2050, what happens to those last ICEVs?

CATL, the worlds largest battery maker, predicts internal combustion engine vehicles will end production by 2035, and as a battery supplier, they have motive to be optimistic. Given cars on average last 20 years, some of those last mass production cars will likely be around even longer, which means even some internal combustion engine vehicles sold in 2035 could still be in use beyond 2055.

Hopefully, CATL predictions are correct, and then by 2050 with those last internal combustion vehicles then being 15 years old, will be getting lonely on the roads. Perhaps a few will be beginning to spend most of their time in retirement in collector garages as relics of the 20th century technology, but exactly what happens when ICEVs become rare could be quite complex.

If you look on a car marketplace website today, there are many vehicles over 15 years old up for sale one more time, and thus regarded as still being of value. Many owners of these then 15-year-old last ICE vehicles may have purchased them when the vehicles were only 10 years old, but few of them would have been purchased new, as many of the owners would be people who do not normally buy new vehicles. Just scrapping a large number of vehicles is very wasteful, and the production of replacements of what would amount to several years of vehicle sales as one large batch would generate significant emissions. EV conversions could play a very useful roll.

There will probably be a time when governments will need to get involved in a phase out, keeping that would be impacted by the phase out alive until the phase out is complete.

A transition to even 50% EVs will not happen before 2035, and on trend, +2.0oC warming.

If EVs are 100% of new cars by 2025, it would take until 2035 to replace 50% of cars, only 5% of all cars are replaced each year. Given cars last over 20 years on average, even if all new vehicles sales are EVs, then it would still take 10 years to replace half of all cars.

Plus, the car market simply will not manage transition to 100% EVs by 2025. In 2021, EVs were 8-9% of global new car sales. To move from under 10% to 50% would be considered an extremely aggressive prediction. In summary, it is simply not feasible for the majority of cars on the road by 2035 to be EVs.

So at around the time of the critical +2.0oC warming, we will still be early in the transition, and as will be shown later, that means too early to see much, if any, of a reduction of CO2 by that time.

An EV transition can offset ‘build emissions’ and provide net emissions reduction.

There is some truth behind the anti-EV information war.

There is a long list Anti-EV Arguments, and most are based on some reality.

Big Oil/ Big Fossil Fuel spends significant money trying to slow the transition to EVs. This creates confusion and misinformation, but behind almost all ‘anti-EV’ claims, including the emissions, there is a basis on an actual fact, even if the myths distort the details

EV car batteries can catch fire, just like mobile phone batteries, and while there is clear data that there are more fires per internal combustion car than per EV, there have been some EVs with a bad track record. Sort of like the famous mobile phone they even banned from flights, even though most phones are fine. So, not as bad as the anti-EV campaign might suggest, but there is still a potential problem with specific technologies.

Lithium and other raw materials are in limited supply right now, but over the long term what can appear as barriers, are hurdles easily cleared. There is truth in that current mining and supply chains do not support extracting the lithium required for all cars to be EVs equipped with lithium batteries, but this is not due to a shortage of lithium, just that mines require expansion to meet the increased demand. No question the world has enough lithium, although cobalt and nickel, as used in most EV batteries so far, are a more limited resource. But already batteries are moving to LFP on mass, avoiding cobalt and nickel already.

There are stories about other mining problems such as cobalt, and while cobalt mining in some countries is a problem, EVs are moving away from needing cobalt and never needed as much cobalt as is used refining oil.

Electricity grids would have trouble if all cars were magically replaced with EVs overnight, but there is clear data that the grid has in the past been able increase supply as demand rises, at a faster rate that would be needed to meet the demand as EV numbers increase.

And then there is the long tailpipe argument.

The Long Tailpipe Claims: A dirty little secret?

Of course, the electricity to power EVs must be generated, and the “long tailpipe” claim is that EVS have a “dirty little secret” that, on very dirty power grids, there could be even more emissions from generating electricity for EVs, than the emissions from a gasoline or diesel car. In practice, this is not true.

The vast majority of studies have concluded that, even if an EV were charged from a 100% coal-powered grid, it would still emit less pollutants per mile than an average ICE vehicle. Furthermore, no such ideally dirty grid exists.

Cleantechnica page discussing issues including “long tailpipe”

Driving EVs on electricity from real world grids is far from perfectly emissions free, and while it is not worse than for fossil fuelled cars, moving to EVs alone does not solve the problem of CO2 emissions from transport.

There are many fake stories on how there is some conspiracy hiding the EVs are not green, but the reality is the organisations applying the most scrutiny to what is needed to genuinely reduce emissions, are those trying to be green. These companies, such as Volvo, who have committed to transitioning all cars to electric, are putting their reputation and their entire future on the line. While fossil fuel companies really lose nothing if we don’t believe them, and with enough marketing, in today’s social media world, you can get some people to believe anything, and for them it can’t hurt sales, as no one is really buying fossil fuels because they believe it creates less emissions.

The anti-EV campaign makes claims of fire risks, and that there won’t be enough lithium, cobalt or nickel to build them, the grid can’t power them and that EVs are bad for environment. The fires, resources and the grid were answered above, and in all cases, there is an issue requiring attention, just nothing that makes EVs worse than ICEVs.

For emissions, while EVs do overall reduce emissions, manufacturing emissions are currently higher than manufacturing emissions for ICEVs, and it requires some driving distance to offset those manufacturing emissions. But despite there even being a TEDx talk advocating people to buy hybrids instead of EVs, the only real way to provide a better environmental outcome than buying a new EV, is to delay buying a new car altogether.

Long tailpipe reality: EVs do reduce emissions, but it is no secret, that not by as much as desired.

Although, even in the worst case, and EV results in less emissions per mile/km than a fossil fuel car, without a hypothetical perfect electricity grid, and instead a dirty grid, the savings can be as low as 20%.

In the Volvo study quoted below, the lifetime vehicle ‘use phase’ emissions reduce from 41 tonnes for the ICE XC40, to 28 tonnes for the EV XC40. This is a reduction of only just over 30%, when calculated on the global average electricity generation. Sure, the reduction is far better in the EU with cleaner power, and as the grid becomes greener, EVs also become greener, but already today there is some saving.

The real issue is not the emissions from driving EVs, it is extra emissions from making EVs.

Every car results in environmental build emissions, and so far, for EVs they are typically worse.

How about 70% higher environmental build emissions from manufacturing an EV? BHP may have been happy to report it, but it is real, and what Volvo calculated when comparing the environmental cost per car during construction for an internal combustion car with that for building an equivalent electrical car.

There are two very significant points here:

  • Buidling of every car, EV or ICEV, as of 2022 results in greenhouse emissions known as “build emissions”.
  • Some ‘ground up’ EVs have similar or lower “build emissions” than ICEVs, but many early EVs built on ICE platforms or using ternary batteries mostly have higher build emissions than ICEVs.
  • As of 2022 the Volvo measures a 70% increase in greenhouse emissions from the manufacturing of an EV over an ICE vehicle when both use the same ICEV platform (17+7+1.4=25.4 over 14+2.1=16.1).
  • There are many studies on vehicle life-cycle emissions, and all unbiased studies agree, while EVs are greener in the long term despite as of 2022 EVs on average resulting in more build emissions at the outset.

Manufacturers are working to make building of all cars, EVs and ICE vehicle, carbon neutral, but no manufacturer is close to this goal in 2022.

Volvo study: EVs can take 7 years to offset initial extra greenhouse emissions.

The Volvo study actually confirms what many other studies have found, an EV typically comes at higher initial environmental cost, and then can repay that cost over time through lower emissions when driving. Lower, but not zero emissions when driving, because although EVs have zero ‘tailpipe’ emissions, in every country some of the electricity to power EVs comes from fossil fuels and thus generates emissions, so while it is clear there is always a reduction in emissions per distance travelled, in some countries it is quite a small reduction.

The Volvo study is not particularly new, but it does compare two theoretically matching vehicles from the same supplier. This turns out to be a tough comparison, as the Volvo internal combustion car is considered extremely efficient, as with many EVs based on internal combustion cars, the Volvo EV in question attracts criticism for being inefficient. On the plus, side, if the EVs wins this comparison, then the case for EVs must be sound.

And, surprise, surprise, the EV does win over a full car lifetime. How much it wins depends on how green the electricity supply available. On the current global mix of electricity (table 6 of the above report) and using data for average driving distances for the UK of 6,800 miles per year (data from page as at Jun 2022), and the USA(page dated Jan 2022, but source data dated 2019) of 14,263 milers per year, the following somewhat scary data emerges. The EU28 mix does not state a date for that mix, but is assumed to be as of 2020. The ’28’ is the number of European members, not a date. The ‘wind’ figure is given as the ‘greenest’ possible energy with current technology.

Break Even (km)Break Even (miles)Years (UK)Years(US)
XC40 Recharge, Global Electricity Mix/XC40 ICE1460009125013.46.4
XC40 Recharge, EU28 Electricity Mix/XC40 ICE84000525007.73.7
XC40 Recharge, Wind Electricity/XC40 ICE47000293754.32.1

The UK should have the closer to the EU28 mix, so in the UK it would be close to 7 years. The US I am guessing would have the world average energy mix, so again, around 7 years to offset the those extra emissions during manufacture.

Implications: Interpreting the Volvo study.

It will get better, the goal was to identify what can be improved.

The focus of Volvo was to identify all sources of emissions so the company can ensure that the Volvo transition to EVs can be seen as “green”. For example, while the report found the build of an EV to produce 170% of the emissions of building their reference car, Volvo as a result formulated a plan to reduce the emissions in manufacture by 25% from current levels by 2025.

Volvo Cars’ strategy of aiming to reduce the Carbon Footprint from the Materials production and refining phase by 25% per average vehicle from 2018 to 2025 is an ambitious start towards achieving net zero Carbon Footprint emissions by 2040.

From Volvo PDF report above.

So Volvo will reduce manufacture emissions to 75% of current levels. Now 75% of 170% is 127%, which means the number of years needed before emissions are reduce will be less than half for Volvos from 2025.

The Cars Volvo cars chosen were not really equivalent, but more a worst case example.

It sounds equivalent: Volvo XC40 vs electric Volvo XC40. However the regular Volvo XC40 is a front wheel drive car that accelerates from 0-100km (0-60) in 8.4 seconds, compared to the electric car that accelerates from 0-100km (0-60) in 4.9 seconds. Would you really expect the great efficiency? Further, the XC40 EV is much heavier, and less efficient than otherwise similar cars that are designed from the outset to be electric. This is is often the case with cars that were originally designed to have an internal combustion engine and are then ‘electrified’, although these are the cars most easily compared, as there are both EV and ICEV variants.

Further, the battery chemistry of the XC40 is not the most ‘green’ available, and uses NCM chemistry and not the LPF chemistry that is taking over as the EV battery of choice. Going forward, the contribution to emissions from production of batteries will decrease.

Volvo study implications: Accelerating the EV transition risks increasing emissions.

EV transition production options: introduce limits, meet demand, or flood the market?

So, what speed should the transition run at? The three possibilities are:

  1. Still ban new ICEVs but limit the production rate of new vehicles to minimise production emissions.
  2. Replace today’s production of ICEVs with the production of EVs, keeping vehicle production at the same scale as today.
  3. Ramp up production of EVs to deliver a faster transition to zero emission vehicles.

Option 1 would force consumers to extend the life of existing vehicles, force more people to rely on only public transport, reduce the vehicle ownership and thus reduce trips take, or in realty, some combination of all of these. This is the ‘greenest’ option, and enforces austerity to protect the environment, but will extend the time until the transtion ot EVs is complete.

Option 2 is the option that the world is currently pursuing.

Option3, accelerating the production of vehicles in order to allow a faster transition to EVs, would generate the greatest corporate profits and result in the fastest transition, but as explored in this section, would also result in the greatest CO2 emissions. Sure, the transition to EVs is faster, but if the Earth’s climate is already close to some tipping points, a significant rise in the level of vehicle production just move to an EVs sooner despite the environmental implications could come at great cost.

Now to explore the emissions implications.

Increased vehicle production means increased emissions: A faster EV transition requires increased production.

The Volvo study compares the emissions of producing a modern internal combustions vehicle, looking at the impact of a person buying an EV instead of buying an ICEV. This study assumes the same total number of vehicles are being sold each year remains at the current of around 80 million vehicles per year.

However, moving to increase vehicle production, as required to accelerate the EV transition, means replacing vehicles that would not have otherwise been replaced.

In this case, the contribution to emissions is the full ‘build emissions‘ from making an EV, and not the increase from building an EV instead of an ICE vehicle. In the study, this the 25 tonnes making EV XC40, in place of the 16 tonnes from making an ICE XC40, which is 9 additional tonnes.

The study looks at the EV needing to offset only those 9 additional tonnes, which could take 7 years, but as an “increased production EV”, a vehicle would need to offset the entire 25 tonnes, which would then take 19 years!

Increased EV sales normally will mean less older ICE vehicles and less ‘use phase’ emissions.

The person buying the ‘extra car‘, will then either have one more car, or more likely, they will sell or trade one car they had already, passing on the extra car to someone else. But in a world of 1.5 billion cars, the extra car sale means there are now 1.5 billion and 1 cars, which means in the end, either:

  1. Someone owns one more car than they would have otherwise.
  2. One car goes to the scrap yard.

Case 1: Perhaps the person buying the new EV, who does not need to replace that ICE vehicle, and is buying an EV in addition, in order to enable ’emission free motoring’ when possible, but still allowing them able to fall back to the ICE vehicle for long trips, or other occasions. Or more, they sell or trade their old ICE vehicle, and someone else gets an extra car they can keep, or they in turn either sell or trade a car they owned previously. In the end, some, perhaps someone who had no car before, ends up with one extra car.

Case 2: At some point in the possible chain reaction of people buying one car and possibly selling another, someone has an old car that is no sellable, and that car gets scrapped. Annually, a lot of cars get scrapped, statistically, a rise in the number of cars sold is likely to end up in more cars being scrapped. At some point, many old ICE vehicles are likely to become unsaleable.

For case 1, perhaps a new person is now driving the old ICEV, which could also mean that now someone owns else an extra car, so the total distance drive, and thus as with case 2, ‘use case emissions’, does not increase. However, even if there is no rise in ‘use case emissions’, there is a rise on one extra car in ‘build emissions’.

The extra vehicle problem: How the savings breakdown without that one less ICEV?

The study focuses on an EV offsetting the difference between an ICEV and EV being built. The assumption is that one more EV being built means one less ICEV will be built. But what if the purchase of an EV simply increases the number of cars sold, and is not a substitute for an ICEV being built?

When a person chooses the XC40 recharge, the ‘build emissions’ are 25.4 CO2 units, 9.3 more than for the traditional XC40 at 16.1 CO2 units. The difference is 9.4 units, which over the life of the car will in theory be offset. But what if the electric car was simply the building of an extra vehicle, and if there were no EVs, there would have been no sale at all? Then the entire 25 CO2 units now need to be recovered! This would take 2.4 times as long, which means the 7 years becomes 7×2.4= 16.8 years!

In summary, if a person who was going to buy a new car anyway choses an EV, then the same total number of cars are built, and after sufficient years the additional emissions over the ICEV will be offset. However, if a person who was not already going to buy an EV is motivated to buy an EV, then it is possible the missions from building that EV will never be offset.

What if there is a grass roots surge in vehicle demand?

It is clear that intervention to intentionally encourage the ramping up of vehicle production and encourage consumers to replace ICE vehicle before their “use by” date would damage the environment, but what if the increasing desirability of EVs causes people to want to buy more vehicles, and junk ICE vehicles before their ‘use by’ date? What if the capitalist dream happens, not as a result of an intervention to get ICE vehicles off the streets, but instead because consumers become motivated to buy new EVs?

One of the promises of EVs, is that with less moving parts, vehicles can have a longer lifespan, reducing the burden on the environment from production. But the transition could create a pattern of a shorter vehicle lifespan.

If there was simply a surge in demand until ICE vehicles are all replaced, then extra factories would be built but no longer be viable after the surge. This would result in increased production costs, raising prices reducing demand. For this surge to happen, it requires the majority of consumers around the world have the wealth to be buying new vehicles at an accelerated rate.

If the world has the wealth to indulge in a spending spree on vehicles, hopeful it will also have the wealth to address the additional emissions.

A Last ICEVs surge?

In 2022, the thought of people worrying about being stranded with ICEVs and a dwindling number of gas stations where they can fill them seems a long way away, but that day must come unless the EV transition stalls. In Europe, with new ICEVs sales banned from sale from 2035, buy 2050 all remaining ICEVs would be over 15 years old, and with demand at gas pumps as low as 10% of previous peak levels, incentive to move to an EV would be greater than ever. Yet few owners of these vehicles are likely to normally buy new vehicles. Possibly incentives to move to vehicles like the Arcimoto could allow an accelerated end to the transition without a surge in emissions?

Emissions don’t stop at vehicle build emissions.

EVs create demand for new car factories.

The two largest EV makers in the world at this time, Tesla and BYD, have never been volume brands in ICE vehicles, which means as they ramp up volumes, they are both building more and more factories. The automotive industry will see significant disruption with the transition to EVs, and new brands will likely replace many existing brands, and lead to more new factories. Even carmakers like VW, who already have car factories, find that EVs are best built in new factories.

EVs could create demand for expanding mining, expanding production of mining equipment.

Good news for a change. Although building EVs can create additional demand for materials not currently mined at the volumes EVs could require, this looks like it will not be the case. Batteries are moving away from nickel and cobalt, leaving lithium as the only battery specific ingredient, and lithium prices are predicted to fall as a result of mines already on track.

In fact, since cars once built last 20 years, and fossil fuels need to be continually consumed, moving to EVs reduces the amount of mining required, and reduced fossil fuel mining will reduce mining equipment that needs o be replaced or repaired.

The EV transition alone won’t save the planet, but it plays an essential part.

Two ingredients are required to solve the emissions crisis: Electrified transport and a clean grid.

An EV transition enables emission reduction but doesn’t DO much of the reduction alone.

There are a lot of errors in this video, so fact check before assuming anything, but it is true the payback is small with the current grid, and increasing car production to force more sales would harm the environment.

Provide the transition to EVs Or, at least EVs themselves don’t do much of the reduction. Even with the current, typically dirty grid, moving to EVs alone results in some emissions reduction, but the big dividend from moving to EVs will only come when the grid has been cleaned up.

At first it seems the catch 22, is that the big dividend from cleaning up the grid, will only come when EVs have at least mostly replaced fossil fuelled vehicles.

But the surprise is, that EVs can actually help clean up the grid. I was only some time after this page had been written, when looking at what happens to the grid as a result of the transition to EVs, that I realised EV transition actually help the grid to become greener!

So we have to transition the grid to clean energy, and transition vehicles to EVs. However, with an estimated 1.5 billion vehicles to transition, and an estimated 10,000 coal power plants.

Without at least a partial the transition to EVs, there would be only half the benefit from cleaning up electricity generation, and thus without EVs, the their less incentive to clean up the grid.

The problem becomes a classic chicken and egg problem. Despite the claims that it is a secret that making EVs can produce more emissions than making ICEVs, and that unless run on clean electricity, while there are reduced emissions, there are still emissions.

Yes, a parallel transition to a clean grid is essential.

All the analysis of emissions with today’s “dirty” grid should be a worst case as the grid should in parallel being moving to lower emissions. The goal is that by the last ICEVs at to end the transition, the grid is producing electricity that is close to emissions free. It is the parallel improvements to both transport emissions and power generation emissions that can enable a low emissions future.

Synergy: The grid and EVs can work together.

It has been analysed, and the grid can handle the increase of 27% as required if everyone had an electric car.

Solar and wind are now the lowest cost sources of power, but they do not provide a full solution without storage. While storage is being added to the grid, this is at a much lower rate than storage is being deployed in vehicles. If vehicle to the grid becomes a reality, then EVs can play a role beyond transport.

The two climate risks: delaying starting the EV transition and rushing the transition itself.

The transition to EVs itself, if rushed, could increase emissions.

It turns out, there is no possible transition to EVs, without a period of increased emissions, and as that is followed by a longer period of reduction in emissions, the sooner we start, the better. The sooner we start, the sooner we reach the point when the climate wins, and we can begin to begin claw back of those extra emissions.

However as the ‘extra vehicle‘ problem highlights, any increase in the total number of vehicles produced each year, increases overall emissions. While the EV transition itself can enable a cleaner grid, which means the later in any transition any ‘extra vehicles’ are produced, the more likely any emissions would be minimised. Still, forcing people to abandon their old vehicles, rather than waiting for new car sales to see cars are eventually replaced, would never be environmentally sound.

The key points here are, the transition will not be fast, and much of the transition will not be green.

  • new factories
  • new mines for different materials
  • EVs that take years to offset productions emissions.

As the increased emissions during the transition arise from manufacturing things, accelerating the transition, and as a result making more ‘things’ is to be avoided.

We can however manage the transition, and take steps to reduce the negative impact of the transition.

Every EV replacing an ICEV takes years to have any positive impact.


Driving EVs means less emissions, but currently it typically takes 7 years to offset the additional emissions from making an EV like the Volvo XC40 EV than the ICE versions of the same vehicle. This would be a problem if cars only last 7 years, but as cars typically last close to 20 years, in the long term all is good.

But, as EV sales ramp up and sales increase each year, most EVs for may years will be young EVs. This, combined with other factors during the transition, including early retiring combustion engine cars, pushes climate wins back decades.

I hear claims like “if everyone suddenly had an EV, it would overload the power grid”, and from EV supporters claims like “if everyone suddenly had an EV, emissions would be far lower”.

The problem with thoughts about a world where everyone has an EV, is that the journey to get there is such a significant journey that we will be older and different by the end of the journey. The world is transformed during the journey.

There are an estimated 1.5 billion cars in the world in 2022, and with annual sales of around 80 million, replacing them all would take over 18 years, and that is assuming a completely orderly sequence, with no car already replaced needing a new replacement before all cars had their turn.

1,000,000 EVs – at what CO2 cost?

So while in a perfect world, we could have all EVs by 2040 if all internal combustion engine car sales were banned tomorrow, in practice, a full transition to all EVs will most likely not even be complete before 2050.

Yes, driving EVs, instead of driving internal combustion engine vehicles, contrary to “long tailpipe” stories, does reduce emissions, but building EVs generates extra emissions. While even when powered, by electricity generated by fossil fuels, over their full lifetime EVs always have less emissions, it takes time to offset the emissions at time of manufacture.

This means that during what is seen as a critical period for climate change, it is all about the transition to EVs, not the world where everyone already has an EV.

The worry is not about the destination, it is about the journey.

The bad news is EVs won’t help in time to keep global warming below +2.0oC, or reduce emissions in the critical years between now and around 2040. The problem is not the ‘long tailpipe argument‘, quoted in the many stories falsely claiming EVs are worse for the environment than ICEVs (internal combustion vehicles) because of the emissions created generating the electricity to power them. Such claims have been proved false over and over, and there are already many web pages, such as this one by cleantechnica, proving that over their lifetime, EVs result in less emissions, even with today’s dirty electricity.

The challenge is instead, that every new car begins life with significant emissions created when building the car, and those emissions are currently higher for EVs than for ICE cars. While over time, EVs make up for any difference, it does take time.

This “phase 1 generates only small reductions” also applies to the grid, as going wind and solar requires a lot of construction, and the emissions from that construction delays the realisation of the benefits from going wind and solar.

Anti EV campaigns often point out problems that would result if overnight all cars became EVs. The grid would never handle it etc… Of course, producing cars to replace every ICEV overnight is also impossible, as is distributing those cars to consumers overnight. Reality is the transition takes time. In fact, the ideal transition rate, is for vehicle purchases to remain at the current level.

Every new car built being an EV would be a good thing, but increasing the number of new cars would harm the environment. EVs, even when powered by “dirty” electricity, result in less emissions than running ICE vehicles, so when all cars are EVs, there will be less emissions.

The emissions from cars being driven is not the whole story, it is also necessary to minimise emissions from cars being built. Every EV that replaces an ICEV reduces emissions every day it is one the road, but it takes a number of years to offset the emissions from the building the vehicle. So emissions there are a number of ‘increased emissions’ years when emissions are higher than if the old ICEV had remained on the road, then after the vehicle has had enough years offset those emissions, years of ‘reduced emissions years’ will follow for the rest of the life of the vehicle. This means during the transition, emissions may have a number of years where they increase, before the real payback is achieved. The transition, unless carefully managed, could result in increased emissions, even for as long as 10 to even 20 years.

Yes, we still need to transition to EVs. The main transition requirement, is that we don’t increase the rate of building cars in order to rush the migration and get people into EVs sooner. Around 5% of cars become scrap per year, and as long as building EVs is capped at that replacement rate, we have avoided the worst messing up the transition. And even if we don’t mess up, even with a perfect EV transition, it will be at least 2040 before we reap the rewards. Yes we need EVs, but EVs alone will do little to help during a very critical period of time for climate change.

Avoiding the ‘extra car’ problem: no production increases.

The optimum transition to EVs is all about balance. Balancing the emissions produced from making EVs against the reduced emissions from driving EVs rather than ICEVs, against the production emissions from building EVs.

However as noted in the extra vehicle problem, any time an the building an EV does, not result in the building of one less ICEV, entire build emissions of that EV add to global emissions initially, and may never be offset.

This means any rise in the total vehicle production per year represents results in an increase overall emissions that may never be offset.

Without a fundamental change in the emissions from production, increasing the rate of vehicle production to accelerate the transition, would further damage the environment.

We can speed up the transition.

Only buy an EV if you really need to buy a new car, not just to save the planet. And, while EVs can be simply better, no new car owners should not feel morally superior, at least until they have owned the same car for several years.

Could alternatives to EVs accelerate emission reductions?

The hydrogen alternative.

Moving to hydrogen instead of EVs, is worse, not better. Firstly, ‘green hydrogen’, made by splitting water using electricity, results in a need for 3x as much electricity as battery EVs require. This means whatever the ‘long tailpipe’ emissions from producing electricity, these emissions would be 3x higher with hydrogen cars.

Further, more infrastructure is required for hydrogen refuelling, and building that infrastructure would require more resources than mining the ingredients for batteries will require.

Overall, hydrogen cars and infrastructure would result in a far longer transition, and require more power generation once the transition is complete.

The Toyota alternate plan keeps fossil fuels beyond 2050.

Toyota is still pushing for the world to move to hybrids, improving fuel efficiency, but continuing the reliance on fossil fuels. Hybrid still require batteries, although smaller ones, but which reduces build emissions, the inclusions of a fossil fuel engine, gearbox, cooling system and exhaust etc all increase build emissions. Overall, hybrids cannot halve build emissions, and they more than double the drive time emissions of pure EVs.

While Toyota proposes that moving to hybrids will allow battery supplies to stretch further, the large battery makers see no problem supplying enough batteries for full EVs, and are not the constraint. Now the battery industry is largely shifting LFP batteries, the only critical element is lithium, and already mining initiates in place are predicted to result in a fall in the price of lithium over the next few years.

Overall, given batteries are not really a problem, very few, and even relatively few from even the fossil fuel industry, still support the claims of how hybrids rather than EVs produces a better result for the environment.

Buying an EV can be ‘green’, just don’t buy a new car until you need to.

The biggest cost to the transition is all the new cars that must be built. The biggest risk is the ‘build emissions’ will outweigh the reduced emissions from EVs, which will happen if too many people buy new cars before they need to buy new cars.

EV Conversions.

An alternative to people buying new cars can be the conversion of existing cars to electric power, and it is not as difficult as it may seem. There are a variety of conversion solutions, which provide reduced driving emissions, with very low build emissions. If only governments would provide incentives for conversions over new car purchases, the world could be that little bit ‘greener’.

So far, conversions are more relevant to heavy duty vehicles, but they could also play a key role in handling the “end of transition” problem.

No “dirty secret”, and things keep improving, but there are challenges.

There is no “dirty secret” and no, EVs don’t result in more emissions than ICEVs.

As covered previously, despite the claims, there is no “dirty little secret”.

Worst case is for a really inefficiently built EV based on an ICE architecture and fuelled from a grid that is quite “dirty”, and even in that worst case EV has some savings over lifecycle although they are small.

There is no fixed case for build emissions of ICE vs EV, and some newer EVs can even have less build emissions than an ICEV.

Plus, the grid in most places just keeps getting cleaner. Even without a specific contract for charging supply, EVs are already “greener” and the margin increases every year.

But the real emissions savings take time.

The scenario where the transition to EVs will do little reduce emissions before 2050, is the one where transitioning to EVs is the only action taken to reduce emissions. In reality, there are many other initiatives in place that will reduce build emissions, and clean up power generation, and if these other initiatives progress at all, the impact of producing EVs is reduced, and the savings from driving EVs is increased.

Hopefully but the time EVs become so competitive that their sales would be likely to generate a significant surge in car total production, most of the problems from increased new car production will be far less significant.

EVs, provide benefits beyond reducing global emissions.

By 2050, we could have roads completely dominated by EVs. Which means if we do have green power generation at that time, the reduction in emissions from having green power will be doubled.

However, in the meantime, not only are total emissions even in the worst case reduced, but the emissions are also moved away from people.

Not great for anyone nearby if a government decides the solution to a need for increased power is to build a new, dirty fossil fuel plant in their neighbourhood, but for the vast majority of people on the planet, vehicles that do not pollute will mean cleaner urban environments, no matter what. Quieter too.

The reduce servicing requirements of EVs will also mean less waste disposal is required.

There is also progress towards reducing and offsetting build emissions.

Volvo target reducing build emissions by around 30% by 2030, and as with other manufactures has plans to eventually reach carbon neutrality. In the 2030s, when the more EVs are being sold, build emissions should already be much lower.

There are still challenges.

  • Will there be enough chargers for everyone?
  • Will people be able to charge at home?
  • How do we retrain all the people who currently service fossil fuel engines?
  • What will happen to all the gas stations?
  • etc

There is time to address these, but it does need more focus.


Green? A little green already, but very green if there is progress on renewables.

EVs are not scam, but it is true that each ICEV replaced with an EV does not do that much to save the climate crisis. At least yet.

However, each EV purchased in place of an ICEV, means on average 20 years of an EV in being driven place of an ICEV, and every year the percentage of electricity the comes from renewals will increase.

EVs don’t have worse lifetime emissions than fossil fuelled vehicles, but they are not an immediate saviour of the planet either, at least not without a parallel clean-up of power generation.

The clean-up of the grid in parallel will happen, because every year the economics becomes even more compelling, and without stating the transition to EVs as soon as possible, the full benefit of the grid becoming greener will not be realised.

The only environmental threat from EVs would be from being overzealous and rushing.

The only situation where EVs would only be worse for the planet, is in the unlikely scenario where a rush to EVs, triggers a boom in car manufacturing well beyond normal levels, and resulting in people replacing even still quite new, perfectly sound, ICE vehicles with EVs earlier than is ideal.

The full transition to EVs seems unlikely before 2050, and with global warming on trend to reach +1.5oC, this decade, and +2.0oC during the 2030s, reductions from EVs alone will do little avoid these temperature points. To stop reaching +1.5oC, or even +2.0oC requires far more than just a move to EVs, and otherwise ‘business largely as usual’. We may soon learn if climate change really is just an inconvenience, or worse.

The EVs transition can provide a big boost for improving the power grid.

The transition to EVs means drivers shift their spending from fossil fuels to spending on electricity, and thus enables consumers to use their fuel expenditure to help fund energy operators adding renewables to the gid., helping to fund the addition of renewables to the grid, without the need to increase costs to consumers.

The choice is between a painfully long transition, and a transition that increases emissions.

The transition will be driven by consumer demand, and market and government pressure on manufacturers to satisfy that demand, but constrained by production, as car manufacturing only replaces 5% of all vehicles per year, and accelerating production would be more damaging than living longer with ICEVs.

The biggest threat to the transition is the unsolved EV problem is enabling everyone to be able to charge at home, and from ideally green power sources.


  • 2023 March 6 th: new introduction and general page cleanup.
  • 2022 August 12: major update to more reflect findings on what impacts the transition timeframe.
  • 2022 June 26: Only rewording to try to improve clarity.