Are Covid-19 vaccines safe, or is there a risk of long-term side effects and even changes to our DNA? Which vaccine is the most effective, and are the statistics from trials real?
Stage 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials produced an efficacy of 95% for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, while the trials for the AstraZeneca vaccine produced result of 70% or 62%. Yet when full data is analysed, given the difference in how the trails were conducted, there is no concrete proof of which vaccine is more effective. The trials were different, and the AstraZeneca vaccine could also show 95% in a trial conducted the same way as the trial for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. Confusing? Welcome to the complex world of vaccines for Covid-19.
- Vaccines Don’t Fight the Virus
- Vaccine Safety
- Vaccine Trials: Relative Efficacy
- Why are both trials valid?
- Vaccines efficacy: Yes, No, and Maybe
- Covid-19 now like the ‘common cold’?
- A sleeping giant?
- Could it wake up?
- Scorecard as of Feb 2021
- AstraZeneca vs Pfizer/BionTech – no proven difference beyond PR
- Vaccines saving lives: Winner- vaccines.
- Vaccines Ending Covid-19: Not yet
- Vaccines making ‘vaccines passports’ a good idea: definitely not!
Vaccines Don’t Fight the Virus, You Do
Human immune systems fight the virus, not vaccines. Vaccines just get you in shape and prepared for the fight. Vaccines contain no element of treatment for the virus, in fact vaccines more resemble the virus itself, than resemble a cure. The virus hijacks some of our own cells, and gets them to help produce copies of the virus. What the vaccine does is give a persons immune system an ‘early look’ at proteins the virus gets our cells to make, so the persons immune system identifies sites of the protein and starts fighting blocking hijacked cells from producing that protein very quickly, rather than letting the amount of virus increase while the immune system is even recognising their is a fight. Without immunity, it is like giving away the first few rounds of the fight, while getting ready for the fight.
As all fighting is done by the persons immune system, if a persons immune system is incapable of fighting the virus, the vaccine is of no use. The efficacy of a vaccine, is limited by the ability of a persons’ immune system to fight the virus. If there the persons immune system is unable to win the fight even if ‘ready’ even before the virus arrives, either because their immune system is not strong or because the virus is super strong, then being ‘ready’ will not help.
Since all effectiveness in fighting the virus comes from the human immune system, different results from different vaccines come down to so any variation in the performance of vaccines, all comes down to:
- different levels of ‘readiness’ resulting from the vaccine
- or a variation in the percentage of people developing ‘readiness’
How much of an ‘head start’ in fighting a virus does a vaccine provide? The best advantage a vaccine can give is that, for 100% of people vaccinated, the immune system is able to start fighting the virus immediately. In theory there could be several vaccines that all ‘ready’ the immune system to its full potential.
Can we agree on when an infection becomes a ‘case’?
Comparing cases following vaccination is problematic, since there is no agreed definition of a ‘case’, and different trials used different definitions.
Technically, Covid-19 is the name of the disease the results from the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Simple. When the virus engages and the immune system is needed to fight, that is the disease. Except, things do not always follow a consistent script. Some people are asymptomatic, yet can still infect others. Are such people cases, and have the disease, or just the virus, given the fight goes unnoticed? Others get ‘long Covid‘, without having the initial symptoms, and those initial symptoms themselves are are widely varied. In essence, there is no one simple ‘disease’, because ‘the fight’ takes place in different way and even in different organs of the body, with a variety of outcomes from being infected. The severity of resulting illness, even in people of similar age and underlying health, ranges completely from ‘no noticeable effects at all’ through to death. All this makes the Covid-19 disease rather unspecific, resulting in even some official publications making no clear distinction between the virus, and the disease. In the end, there is no definition of exactly what should counts as a case of Covid-19.
So each trial must set its own standards on what constitutes a ‘case’.
What is a Virus?
It is even debatable whether viruses are alive or not. Some special viruses have more of the traits of life than others, but SARS-Cov2 does not. A virus is like a set of instructions within an envelope. It is not the envelop that makes you ill, it is following the instructions in the envelope that makes you ill. The instructions tell your cells, make another envelope that contains these instructions and place a copy of these instructions inside, that is all the virus is. The virus does not eat food or consume energy, and cannot itself make its own copy of itself.
Vaccines and Long Term Side Effects.
Someone asked me if am I worried about long term side effects, prompting me explore what I could.
I have heard quotes of things like, “if there is a less than 1 in 100,000 chance of a bad reaction to the vaccine, and perhaps a 1 in a 1,000 chance of dying from Covid-19, I would take the vaccine!”. Except, there need be no certainty of getting infected Covid-19 at all, but there is with vaccination. So far there is ample data on short term reactions to the vaccine, and the risks are low. But what about long term?
There are two components to any vaccine.
- The payload or ‘cargo’:
- Some form of remnant of the target virus itself, or instructions to cells to build a fragment
- The Delivery mechanism:
- Either a disabled substitute host virus, or an mRNA delivery mechanism
The design is that nothing of vaccine itself remain in the human body within around 2 weeks. The vaccine has a very short mission, trigger the human bodies immune response to Sars-COV2. In theory, nothing remains in the body other than the bodies own immune response at the end of the two weeks. Unlike the actual virus, nothing in the vaccine is capable of reproducing, even within host cells.
There are studies that rule out a long term reaction to either type of delivery mechanism, as both delivery mechanism types have been studied for decades. The new component is the immune reaction to the ‘cargo’. We do not know for certain that there will be no effects from the bodies own primed immune system, with the only certainty being that this reaction must be lower than being infected with the virus. Further, since the combination of vaccine, followed by infection with the virus, produces a far milder case than experienced by unvaccinated people, if there is any likelihood of being infected with Covid-19, then it is better to be vaccinated than not be vaccinated.
So, in summary, the risk seems extremely low, but why take any risk, if it can be avoided? If vaccination does result in herd immunity, and the virus is then eradicated, then why bother being vaccinated? Except, if everyone took this approach, and avoided vaccination, then there cannot be herd immunity. In practice, for children, who have the longest time to worry about long term effects, and the least reason to be vaccinated at this time, it could make sense to wait and see what is happening in terms of herd immunity before vaccination.
However, given the sheer total amount of the virus circulating world wide, a vaccination program resulting in eradication of the virus is no more likely that a new strain of the virus emerging. While it would be better if all countries of the world had followed the examples set by those eliminating community spread and made vaccines redundant, that is not the world in which we live. This make vaccination for all a likely necessity.
It looks like Vaccines Change Your DNA?
A quick search on mRNA reveal diagrams of mRNA produced in the nucleus of Eukaryote cells…which are our cells! It can seem from a quick read, that these vaccines require our cell nuclei to produce the mRNA! Won’t that mean changing our DNA?
This explores why it looks like that, and why the vaccines cannot change your DNA. The first things that mRNA as discussed in many resources, it not talking about vaccines, but mRNA our cells produce naturally. mRNA is not all about vaccines.
I had this vague idea that animals have DNA, and viruses have RNA. In fact animals have both DNA and RNA, while viruses such as SARS-Cov2 RNA, but no DNA, and may not even considered to be ‘life’. Looking deeper, it turns out that while our genetic code is in our DNA, our bodies also generate RNA, and these diagrams of cells producing RNA and mRNA are what happens with our existing cells, all the time, no vaccine required. Our own cells produce mRNA, and the mRNA produced in the nuclei of our cells, does not then get into the nuclei of other cells. mRNA is a type of messenger our cells make, and that we already produce.
An mRNA vaccine is a messenger using mRNA (messenger RNA), similar to mRNA our cells make naturally inside our bodies, but in this case made in a lab. As mRNA breaks down naturally very quickly, these mRNA vaccines must be kept extremely cold to slow them breaking down long enough to still work. Once injected, the messenger mRNA tells cells to make a protein as described in the RNA, and that mRNA quickly breaks down, so only a limited amount of the protein as described will ever be made in your body. The mRNA does not ever get to interact with your own DNA.
The virus infects cells and gives them instructions to produce proteins and the virus needs carry a copy of their genetic code, and infect other cells with that code, and to place a copy of the virus inside the proteins. The mRNA vaccine has a simpler role, just reduced instructions telling your cells to produce some of the spike protein part of the virus, because it is this spike protein that triggers the bodies immune response.
So, no mRNA vaccines do not change your DNA to get your DNA to produce the right mRNA, they are just a supply of mRNA that your body’s own cells did not produce, and as a result, get some of your cells to make some protein they would not normally make. Niether the mRNA, or the proteins last more than a few days in your body, but that is long enough for your body to treat that new protein as ‘foreign’, and make antibodies against it.
Comparing Vaccine Trials
Vaccine trials all:
- divide participants randomly in
- a placebo group
- and a live vaccine group
- include a system for determining if participants get ‘Covid-19’
Variables between trial are:
- what age group and spread of ages within age brackets participate in the trial?
- what is the prevalence of Covid-19 within the community(ies) of the participants
- what is the behaviour (lock-downs, social distancing, group gatherings etc) of particpants
- what virus strains are present during the trial
- what standard is in use to determine ‘a case’
Provided all of these factors are the same for both groups, which will be in selection between placebo and live groups is random, there the trial will be valid. However, different trials with different variables even with the same vaccine may yield different results.
How were Astra/Pfizer trials different?
Information on all variables is difficult to obtain. However, one key difference between the trials is the standard for deciding what constitutes an infection.
In clinical trials, the Pfizer vaccine was found to be 95 per cent effective at reducing disease. But whether it stopped people from getting infected in the first place isn’t yet known — because it wasn’t measured.
Larisa Labzin, an immunologist at the University of Queensland, says it’s possible there were people in the Pfizer trial who received the vaccine, got infected with COVID-19, but didn’t develop any symptoms.
They wouldn’t have been identified, nor included in Pfizer’s analysis, because researchers were specifically looking at whether the vaccine stopped or reduced the severity of COVID-19 symptoms — not whether the vaccine prevented infection in the first place.ABC
Now compare this with:
“Whereas in the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials, [the researchers] made all the participants do a COVID test every week,” Dr Labzin says.
“The idea was to pick up whether the vaccine would prevent infection as well.”
The University of Oxford study took weekly nose and throat swabs from a group of UK volunteers, regardless of whether they showed symptoms or not, says Sharon Lewin, infectious diseases expert and director of the Doherty Institute, who was not involved in the work.
The researchers note that they did not set out to specifically measure disease transmission — rather, they focused more on finding the optimal time between doses.
But they did use the presence of virus on a swab as a proxy for the likelihood that the person could pass the disease on to someone else.
They found a 67 per cent reduction in positive swabs among people who received a single dose of the two-jab Oxford-AstraZeneca regime.
This does not mean transmission was reduced by two-thirds, Professor Lewin says.
“But we now know that the amount of virus in the nose is associated with transmission — more virus in the nose, higher likelihood for transmission,” she says.ABC
The Pfizer vaccine trial was only looking at reducing disease, the AstraZeneca trail was looking at transmission of the virus even when disease was reduced.
I suggest it is possible the Pfizer vaccine may have recorded the exact same results as the AstraZeneca vaccine in trialled in the exact same manner. Not certain, but certainly possible.
Why are both trials valid?
An initial reaction to discovering AstraZeneca trials tested participants each week, while Pfizer trials did not could be: ‘Of course Pfizer detected less cases!’. However, Pfizer would have detected more less cases in both groups: the live vaccine group and the placebo group.
The Pfizer approach is also valid, because the same ‘lower rate of detection’ would have been in place for all participants. The 95% efficacy means 20 times less infections detected with the live vaccine group. There is a genuine 20x reduction in the number of people who showed sufficient symptoms to be tested.
So scientific method is followed, and that makes both trials equally acceptable.
However, there were not directly comparable, as they measured different criteria. So is 20x less people showing sufficient symptoms to get tested, more impressive than 3x less people testing positive when everyone gets tested? Unless vaccines are far more effective at reducing cases to asymptomatic cases, they yes it would be, however that is exactly what other evidence suggests. Neither trial reported any case of severe Covid-19 in the live vaccine group.
Vaccines efficacy: Yes, No, and Maybe
What vaccines do well: The Original Mission, save lives.
The original goal for vaccines was to save lives and prevent severe disease. The vaccines are most effective, highest ‘have highest efficacy’ in achieving this goal. Reports are that even in the most vulnerable age group, just a single dose of vaccine achieves an over 80 reduction in hospital admissions, which is exceeding the original targets for a vaccine.
Even in the worst trial results, there is no evidence of vaccines failing to prevent severe cases of Covid-19, in fact, to the contrary, even against the most challenging strain of the virus so far, vaccines still save lives.
But experts say that although less effective against the South African variant, the current vaccines are likely to save your life if you become infected with it.
In a recent trial, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, for example, was 85% effective at preventing severe illness and hospitalization — no matter the variant.South African COVID variant can chip away at vaccine efficacy — but the vaccine can still save your life
The article quoted above noted that when considering overall efficacy, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was tested as 57% effective against the South African variant, but 85% effecting at preventing severe disease requiring hospitalisation. No specific trial against mild infection is quoted, but as with AstraZeneca vaccine, such a trial may show even lower efficacy.
The original mission of vaccines was to reduce deaths and severe disease resulting in overloaded hospitals. This goal appears to have been met.
What the vaccines do not achieve.
In summary, vaccines do not enable ‘immunity passports’ that confirm the bearer as presenting no risk of infecting others.
I am not aware of any vaccine trial confirming any vaccine is particularly effective against low levels of infection. This does not mean vaccines, or at least some vaccines, are not quite effective against all levels of infections, but all data suggests no vaccine prevents all levels of infection. Trials with highest efficacy (e.g. 90% or 95%) were limited to the original variant and did not test for lower levels of infection that may still enable transmission.
Clearly, all data so far means it is still possible for any vaccinated person to still spread the virus. The risk of a vaccinated person spreading the virus may be reduced, and perhaps even significantly reduced, but it is clearly not eliminated.
This means giving priority to vaccinated people can make sense, but allowing vaccinated people to skip quarantines and then enter areas where the consequence of introducing the virus are significant does not make sense.
Vaccines and Herd Immunity: what just might be achieved?
A big, and as yet unanswered question, is can vaccinations produce herd immunity? If vaccinations can achieve this, it could mean the end of the pandemic. Israel is the best test, and there are some positive results, but these results do not suggest Israel is ready to risk the arrival of variants from South Africa or Brazil.
If within a vaccinated population, the spread factor or R0, is reduced from the current 2.5-3.5 range to less than 1.0, then vaccinating a population will end the outbreak. This goal looks possible, but we are not there yet and the road is rocky, with the virus having ample time, and huge population of copies of the virus, to evolve in order to remain a threat.
I will update with news on the data from Israel.
Covid-19 now like the ‘common cold’?
So far, vaccines reduce the severity of cases of Covid-19, potentially to a level of severity no less debilitating than the common cold. I say potentially, because we do not yet have data on the reduction of ‘long-covid‘, but as this results from Covid-19 infections in other parts of the body that the respiratory system, there may be a similar reduction in threat from vaccination.
However, vaccines may not stop the spread.
So if everyone is vaccinated, getting infected may be very common, and the virus could keep circulating, just without the hospitalisations and deaths.
A sleeping giant?
If you are wearing a bullet proof suit, then bullets could hurt no more than paintball shots do when wearing normal clothes. However, even if wearing bullet proof clothes, it is still recommended to treat bullet file with caution. To tread carefully because the bullet proof clothing may reduce the bullets to being a sleeping giant, but they are still a giant danger.
Could it wake up?
While the virus still spreads, it can mutate. Starting from an already dangerous starting point, it is still better to eradicate spread, (as per current situation in countries like Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan etc), than to open borders and let the virus spread.
Scorecard as of Feb 2021
- AstraZeneca vs Pfizer/BionTech – no proven difference beyond PR
- Vaccines saving lives: Winner- vaccines.
- Vaccines Ending Covid-19: Not yet
- Vaccines making ‘vaccines passports’ a good idea: definitely not!
As to one vaccine being better than another, there is simply no clear evidence yet. What is clear is that they all can save lives, which will help unless zealots of vaccine passports worsen the problem.
Vaccine passports are emerging as one of the main threats to ending the pandemic. Prematurely declaring threats as ‘over’ has been one of the main problems so far, and these could be just another step on that path. If people act as though once vaccinated the threat has passed, then the virus will continue to multiply and very like, evolve.
- Do Get Vaccinated: Vaccines save lives – but proceed with caution.
- Don’t Believe ‘Vaccine Passports’.
Do Get Vaccinated: Vaccines save lives – but proceed with caution.
I do not mean caution in regard to being vaccinated. All the evidence, and it is compelling evidence, is that being vaccinated is effective beyond what could have been expected in terms of providing protection against serious cases of Covid-19.
Further, there is no evidence of side effects, and as would be expected from what is effectively a cut down version of the virus, these effects are all things you would experience more seriously if infected with the real virus.
Don’t Blindly Trust ‘Vaccine Passports’.
If you get vaccinated, don’t then blindly believe you cannot infect others. If vaccinated people all drop all social distancing, we could have a new wave. Even someone safe from Covid-19, is not immune to all reasons they may needing a hospital that is not overcrowded.
If not vaccinated, still take precautions around those who are vaccinated. They are even less likely to show symptoms, but may still be infectious.